Often times a "bunch" of old trains will include rusty or "oxidized" track. It is seldom of any value and may be better discarded with one exception and that is switches which can be worth cleaning up by a collector. In all cases NEVER use steel wool to try to clean these rusty or oxidized items. Also many smaller train sets came with small transformers which are seldom worth the cost to ship them anywhere. Otherwise, the most value will be in the engines of the set followed by any accessories and then the cars themselves.
Do not discard any of the boxes or instructions that came with the trains. These are desired by collectors as well. Most of the engines and cars are identified by a number on the side of the car or engine which a collector can use to identify what you have. Pictures are most always needed to start to arrive at identifying and setting a value for the trains and a collector will most always request these.
Lastly, do not attempt to clean your trains with any abrasive, steel wool, or cleansing agent of any kind. Many of these will do more damage than good. A true collector will know what should be used and preserve the value of the trains.
Lionel has been making trains since 1900 and has a well deserved reputation for quality products. Many of the trains made in the early years right up through the present have kept their value and some are highly valued by collectors, while other more common ones, while worthy of running may not have a high collector value. The value of a particular set or piece is dependent on several factors such as condition, rarity, and the presence of the original box in good condition. Several companies have published price guides which list a value for most of Lionel's production. Two companies that publish respected guides include Kalmbach - www.kalmbach.com and TM Books and Videos - www.tmbv.com. Keep in mind that values listed in these guides are just that - a guide. Often when selling trains, they must by offered at a price below the listed value to sell quickly.
Members of the LCCA can list trains for sale and purchase trains from other members in The Interchange Track. This magazine is issued four times a year and there is no charge to members to list items. In addition to the magazine, members also have access to an online listing service, eTrack - again at no charge. These listings also serves as a guide to exactly what items are selling for. Items are conveniently listed in numerical order, making it easy to find a particular item.
The original set that became known as the Halloween set was made by Lionel as a promotional set for the Druggists’ Service Counsel, Inc. and offered to its member stores through their Gifts Galore catalog. According to John Schmid’s excellent resource, Authoritative Guide to Lionel’s Promotional Outfits 1960-1969, 7300 of these sets were produced in 1960. The orange and black loco and the blue passenger car make this set quite unique. The set did not have individual boxes, but was displayed in a single large box. The set included a Frontier set, made by Bachmann’s Plasticville, a small transformer and enough O27 track to make a figure 8 layout. It’s value is highest when the original large display box and the Frontier set in Lionel’s packaging are included. You can read more about it in the above mentioned book, available from Project Roar Publishing.
Sears also had a set numbered 79 N 09666. It was cataloged in the 1959 Sears Christmas Catalog. John Schmidt's excellent documentation of sets begins in the year 1960, so this set was not included. The catalog picture is in black & white, but the description describes the loco as " black, red and gold-color. " The set appears to be the usual General set with a yellow coach, a yellow baggage car and the short flatcar with fences and horses. I believe the flatcar might have been numbered differently than the standard one and may have been a different color, but I believe the loco and cars were the usual Lionel colors - not the Halloween colors. The set also came with an 18 piece plastic frontier outfit with windmill, building and animals. The picture also shows fence sections to coral the animals. The price was $25.89.The X646 set and the X628 set are very similar. Both were produced in 1961. One of the major differences is that the items in the X646 set were individually boxed. This is indicated by the –25 in the part numbers. The two sets have similar cars except for the Submarine car. The X628 came with a boxed 3830 Submarine car. The X646 came instead with a 6062 unboxed black NYC gondola and three orange cable reels. The Helicopter car in both sets (3410) is the manual type which cannot be operated remotely. The one in the X628 set had a box.
If you collect promotional sets from the 60s, the best book around is, Authoritative Guide to Lionel’s Promotional Outfits 1960-1969. The book is almost 2 inches thick and has all the information you would need –even exactly how the items were packed in the box. The book was published by Project Roar Publications.
Yes! Many parts for trains made throughout Lionel's history are still available. Reproductions of difficult to find parts are also available. Lionel still maintains Authorized Service Stations with trained specialists who can not only repair current production, but also older Lionel products. You can check for a local Service Station at Lionel's website - www.Lionel.com under the customer service tab. You might also check local hobby shops. The service manual can help you identify parts which can then be purchased. For more current production, Lionel offers instruction manuals and exploded parts diagrams which are viewable on their website www.lionel.com.
Members of the LCCA receive The Lion Roars, five times a year. This magazine features layout photos, reviews of current products, and tips on running and repairing Lionel trains. Back issues of the magazine are also available to members online.
I’ve attached a scan of the instructions for the Lionel Type R transformer. I do have a word of caution however. The R transformer is a pre world war II version that was manufactured through 1947. I would be cautious using a transformer that is over 60 years old. Chances are better than even that your cord should be changed. For safe operation, I would recommend that you purchase a modern transformer. You can purchase a new Lionel transformer. The CW-80 would be a current model and offers 80 watts. The Type R that you have was rated differently back then and did not really deliver the full 110 watts. Much of this was lost in heat. The current rating system is more accurate and the CW-80 would supply as much power as you R transformer. Another source for AC transformers is the MRC company.
There could be several causes for this. First, I have a few questions. Does this always occur at the same place? And is that place opposite the place on your layout where he wires are connected from the transformer? If so, you may need an additional feed from the transformer to that portion of the layout. You don't need another transformer, just connect another set of wires to a place on the layout which is as far from the original connection as possible. This is especially necessary if your layout has been expanded with additional track. The larger the layout, the more feeders you might need.
Another thing to check is electrical continuity through the track. The best way to check this is with an Multi-meter. If you have one of these, set the meter to read Ohms - or resistance. In this mode, when the two leads of the meter are touched together, you will get a zero reading. A zero reading means that there is electrical continuity. Place one lead on one of the outside rails and then place the other lead on the same rail of the next track. You should get a zero reading. Continue around the layout checking each section of track with the one next to it. Repeat this with the center rail. If you get a situation with no reading, it means there is a break in electrical continuity and there is a problem with the connection between those two pieces of track.
The number of cars that a particular locomotive can pull involves many variables including number of motors, type of cars, weight of cars, whether postwar or modern era cars, etc. Twenty-five cars will probably require more than one locomotive. With postwar locos and conventionally operated locos, it is usually advisable to lock the E unit of each loco in the forward position. This prevents one of them from going into neutral or reverse if an unexpected interruption in power occurs. For best results, you would probably want to use two similar locos, i.e. two F3s. You shouldn't have any problem with small variances in speed.
If you are running in Command Control, TMCC or Legacy, you can link more than one loco together and treat them as a single loco allowing very precise control over the loco's speed. In demonstrations, I have seen two locos linked in this way, but not coupled together - leaving 1/2 inch between them. When run, as a linked pair, they remained 1/2 inch apart as they went around the track. In practice of course you would couple them, but this demonstrated how well the two were controlled as one.
Just to be sure we’re both talking about the same thing – I am assuming that you have the FasTrack uncoupling section. This is a 5 inch long track with a magnet in the center and a single button to control it (No. 12020). This track should operate any car that has a central plunger that must be pulled down to operate. If the car has sliding shoes on its trucks, then you need the Operating Track (No. 12054). The operating track has a two button controller – one button controls the inner control rails and the other controls the central magnet.
Some work with a central plunger and others work with the sliding shoes. The operating Poultry car uses the central plunger activated by the uncoupling magnet. The poultry car should work with either type of track. Use the uncouple button and the magnet should pull down the plunger under the poultry car. Move the car slightly to check that it is in the best position to be pulled by the magnet. On some cars the tolerance is quite close. If it still does not work, test that the magnet is energizing by holding a screwdriver blade over it when the button is pressed.
The black film you have noticed is quite common. Every time Lionel sets up their large display layout, they use denatured alcohol on a rag to wipe down the track and it takes several paper towels or rags as they become quite black. I believe this black comes from the wheels of the cars and loco. Most wheels today are made via the powder metallurgy process. On some of the display layouts, the loops are small and the trains run for many hours. On the towers that Lionel has on its largest layout, each has several circles of FasTrack and the trains run constantly on them and always in the same direction. On these, wear of the wheels can clearly be seen. Since the loop has no straight tracks the wear occurs faster and since the train is always going the same direction, the wheels on one side wear much faster. I’ve seen some of the wheels actually get sharp due to this wear.
Any track cleaner that you use, should be wiped off the track before running trains on it. I don’t know how different track cleaners effect the traction tires. Denatured alcohol works well and is quite inexpensive. I don’t think there is any way to prevent this build up if you run your trains. You are doing the right thing by cleaning it off when necessary.
Lionel prewar O gauge will run just fine on FasTrack. Lionel’s prewar Standard Gauge is too large. If you are operating Standard Gauge trains, MTH Trains has a FasTrack look alike in Standard Gauge.
The number part of the radius designation, i.e. 36 for O36, indicates the measurement from the center rail to center rail of a circle made without straights. To figure the actual table space taken up by a particular radius of FasTrack, simply take the number in the designation, and add 3 3/8 inches. So for O36 track, a circle without straights will require 39 3/8 inches of width on the table. For the O60, the width of a circle would be 63 3/8 inches. FasTrack has been designed so that you can space track 6 inches on center apart. So if your inner track is O36, you could run an O48 loop of track 6 inches outside of the O36 loop, and an O60 loop 6 inches from that.
I’ve created a drawing which shows a half circle of O36, O48, and O60. The drawing is to scale and each square of the graph equals 12 inches. The width of each half circle is 39 3/8 inches, 51 3/8 inches and 63 3/8 inches. There is 6 inches from center rail to center rail between each loop.
We've had several requests for the leg braces. We are currently working on putting together a hardware kit which will contain all of the hardware, including the electricals, Rotolocks, leg brackets etc., but no wood. this will be less expensive than the entire kit. We expect to finalize that soon.
We've created an improved leg bracket we now use. This new design is better able to hold the wooden legs regardless of their exact size. These are custom fabricated for the kits and are not standard hardware. They will be included in the above kits. I also plan to detail a method of securing the legs which does not require the bracket, but uses a Tee Nut. Once completed, we will post a notice on the LCCA website.
To the best of my recollection, Lionel's Ambassador Program ran from from 1998 through 2000. Train enthusiasts could apply to become an Ambassador. Upon acceptance, you were given points for assisting Lionel in a variety of events. Some of theses included assisting at a Lionel event sponsored by a local Lionel dealer, helping Lionel set up for an event and so on. If you accumulated enough points you could earn a bronze, silver or gold level special Lionel car. Of these cars, the gold level ones were the most rare as few ambassadors earned enough points to qualify. In addition to the cars there were also awards of specially labeled Lionel Jackets. During the three year duration of the program, Lionel held two Ambassador conventions - the first in Durango, Colorado and the second at the Carnegie Science center. Awards were presented at these conventions.
Choosing a particular car to label as the most rare of all is a difficult and subjective task. The most desirable items change over time and basically comes down to a question of just how important a particular piece is to you.
There are a few commercial software programs available that say they provide such information. As these may meet the needs of some, the LCCA recommends you consider using a digital worksheet (i.e. Excel, Numbers). Self developed programs do require you enter all descriptive information, but can be as simple or as complex as you want. A positive aspect of your own digital worksheet is that you update, identify, modify to meet your special requirements. And as you and your collection identification needs change, the worksheet can be modified to accommodate these changes. The LCCA will be posting an excel spreadsheet template which you can use as is or modify as needed.